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Merge proposal

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Hello, I propose to merge this article into Ayşenur Ezgi Eygi. Shortly after I created that article, this one was created. The details in both articles are pretty much the same with some differences that can be sorted with the merge. It would be appropriate to keep the article's name as "Ayşenur Ezgi Eygi" as it is in the original. This decision would have precedence such as with the articles Thomas Hurndall, Rachel Corrie, Iain Hook, etc; all figures whose articles are named after themselves despite being known primarily for their killings. Thanks. Lavictus (talk) 22:50, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, could have the existing title redirect to your original page CubicCapacityCC (talk) 06:55, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am not an expert on Wikipedia policies, but in my mind, it should be the other article that is merged with this one if anything. It seems it is her killing, not the individual herself, that is WP:NOTABLE and generating international headlines. Glass Snow (talk) 08:48, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, per the OP. Because as they have stated, there are many instances where an article is named after the person but nearly all of it is about their killing (specifically by the IDF). To add onto the examples given by the OP, check Brian Avery and Vittorio Arrigoni on top of the examples given by Lavictus. 82.36.106.253 (talk) 12:13, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. With all respect to Tom Hurndall, Rachel Corrie and all the other examples given by the users here, why should they have their own article named after themselves (instead of "Killing of X") but Aysenur shouldn't, despite the amount of background information available being the same. Additionally, Aysenur seems notable enough with numerous governments and organisations mentioning her and the fact that she is the 3rd ISM member (after Tom Hurndall and Rachel Corrie, both of whom pages are named after themselves) to be killed by the IDF. 2A00:23EE:1CE0:2EAB:5C0F:23FF:FEE4:16FB (talk) 15:03, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Probably should be merged the other way per WP:BIO1E. An article about the event makes sense, but Eygi appears to only be notable for her death so a biography is not appropriate. C F A 💬 16:04, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's not much logic behind this statement in my opinion. Look at all the other articles and killings in the same manner (by the IDF) and a very small part of their article is about their background (like 2-3 paragraphs, about the same size as Aysenur's biography) but their article is named after themselves. Either we change the names of all those articles highlighted above to "Killing of" or we go ahead with the proposed merge by Lavictus. 82.36.106.253 (talk) 16:13, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia:Other stuff exists is not a useful argument. WP:BIO1E/WP:BLP1E applies here regardless of how other articles are formatted. C F A 💬 16:17, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request, 7 September 2024

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Change "Accused" within the infobox into "Perpetrator" since sources are confirming she got shot by an Israeli sniper — 🧀Cheesedealer !!!⚟ 13:32, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Based on the policies at Wikipedia:BLPCRIME, I think it makes most sense to wait until an independent investigation determines the perpetrator, even if it seems exceedingly likely it was the IDF. ForsythiaJo (talk) 14:18, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The IDF stated it had targeted and fired on the crowd. Only two gunshots were heard by numerous witnesses. So the 'perpetrator' is without a doubt a sniper in the IDF, not someone inside the protest shooting (the onlòy alternative possibility). That is what they are admitting, and unless counterindications emerge that is the proper and neutral word for the agent causing her death.Nishidani (talk) 15:35, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]